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As the picture shows, according to the Rod message, God’s people will flee quickly as if fleeing an earthquake at the arrival of a prophetic event. A close and dear sister reached out to us recently via Facebook and enquired the following “Is Jacob’s time of trouble going to be the Sunday law, for the 144,000?”

A great and timely question! But in order to answer that we find it helpful to discuss what the message says about what happens right after Ezekiel 9. What do those who “escape” the judgment in the house of God do?

The following is a verbatim response we gave her and it sets a firm foundation as to her question. Be Blessed.

To start with, we find the study of the 4 Carpenters and the 144,000 gives us a good foundational basis
to see how the 144,000 cannot possibly go through the SL unless we want to discard harmonization. Both
the Rod and SOP tell us we must do. Note the following — 


“Let us remember always to observe the inviolable rule that an interpretation of one inspired statement must harmonize with all other related statements. ( 3 Ans, p.41)

“Those who are willing to risk all on the ground of one inspired statement and disregard another in order to carry out certain cherished ideas of their own… We would never try to establish an idea on the basis of agreeing with one passage of Scripture while disagreeing with another, for such a conclusion is as sure to be erroneous as if one should conclude that when the sun sets in the evening, it will never arise in the morning. The student of truth should harmonize”(2 SC, no. 1, p.5)

“Those who entertain the idea that there is only one sifting, and only first fruits, will never be able to harmonize every statement of the Bible and of the Spirit of Prophecy, for while their idea may perfectly harmonize in one instance, it will not in another. But the position of those who know the truth, and who all speak the same thing, will be in harmony with every inspired statement on the subject.” (2 SC, no. 12, p.7)

“No candid Bible student would build a theory upon an interpretation that would lead him to set aside all other scriptures on the subject. He will seek to make his final analysis in such a way as to be in perfect harmony with all of them, or else confess that he does not have the light on the subject.” (3 Ans, p.53)

“Though there is but one right interpretation of each Bible doctrine, yet a multitude of conflicting interpretation are in the Christian world today, with the result that it is split into many sects and schisms (heads), woth no two believing alike.” (Tract 12, p.24)



So let’s ask this important question — How soon do the 144,000 leave for the kingdom after Ezek. 9?


There are the following Rod quotes that brings light to this question —

Zech. 14:5 — “And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.”

   Having thus opened the way for the re-establishment of the house of Judah, His people, who beforehand have been informed of it through present Truth, will flee to the valley, to where the Lord’s feet stand, as quickly as if they were fleeing from an earthquake; and all the saints thereafter follow after them. ( 1 TG, no. 19, p.4-5)

Note it is talking of when the Lord’s feet stand on Mt. Olives in the time of the Zech. 14 war. And what do the 144,000 do? Stand around and wait? Stay in their own country for a while? No, not according to this reference. They “flee” quickly to the Holy land at that time, which also is at the conclusion of Ezek.9 (see Tract 14, p.22 where it says the while the great war is on, Ezek. 9 comes).

“Just before the kingdom of Judah is established in Jerusalem, the city shall be besieged, the houses shall be rifled and women ravished.  Not all, though, shall go into captivity.  The residue are not cut off from the city, they obviously become a part of the house of Judah.  At that time, when Jerusalem has fallen and the Lord has removed all obstacles and hindrances for the gathering of His people, then it is that the house of Judah is re-established.  God’s people shall flee to the “valley” as quickly as though they were fleeing from an earthquake.  The Lord smites the armies of the nations, while at the same time He protects and exalts His own people.” (1 TG, no. 19, p.8)

Again the point is repeated. They flee quickly to the Holy land once war happens and sometime during it Ezek. 9 does as well. Remember, once Ezekiel 9 happens the 144,000 saints will have no doubt that they have a job to do from the message and that is to get back to the land to set up the kingdom for the great multitude to come into.

Zech 14:4, 5 — “And His feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.  And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.”

   “In that day.”  In what day? — In the day all nations gather against Jerusalem that now is, and bring its fall from Gentile rule.  In that day the Lord’s feet shall stand upon the Mount of Olives.  The Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, there shall be a very great valley; “and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.” Zech. 14:4.  The Lord’s post-millennial coming, too, shall be similar to this.  See Early Writings, pp. 51, 52.

   The servants of God shall then flee to the valley of the mountains, where the Lord’s feet shall stand, and all the saints with them; that is, the Lord’s “feet” will open the way for the restoration of the Kingdom, and for the gathering of the people into it.” ( 2 TG, no. 31, p.6-7)

For the third time it is repeated again! This shows the Lord does not want us to miss this point.

We must keep in mind that the rapid travel to the Kingdom results on the 144,000 meeting up with the “Four Carpenters” who job it is , is to work for the Lord and 144,000 to prepare the Kingdom to received the Great Multitude who come from the preaching of the 144,000 around the world.

Now, we are told to go by “weight of evidence” as shown in the following statements —

“Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives candid evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence.”(Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p.675)

“The weight of evidence” is the only fair and final criterion worthy of a Christian who must ever make an investigation for himself concerning purported truth.” ( 1 Ans, p.77) 

“In considering the several scriptures bearing on this point and on the kindred points in question, we must base our conclusions solely on the weight of evidence, so that we may not only know all the truth, but also teach nothing but the truth” (Tract 9, p.6)

“Some who are anxious to risk Present Truth on the weight of what one inspired statement seems to say or imply, are thereby presumptuously or very ignorantly overlooking the “weight of evidence.” Others are doing this through shortsightedness, while still others are doing it to prop up certain cherished ideas of their own.” (3 Ans, p. 41-42)

Says the Spirit of Prophecy, “Close reasoners and logical thinkers are few. ” “How many men in this age of the world fail to go deep enough. They only skim the surface. They will not think closely enough to see difficulties and grapple with them, and will not examine every important subject which comes before them with thoughtful, prayerful study, and with sufficient caution and interest to see the real point at issue. They talk of matters which they have not fully and carefully weighed. ”—“Fundamentals of Christian Education,” p. 27; “Testimonies for the Church,” Vol. 4, p. 361. (3 SC, no.5-6, p.7)


So can we find any other statements that show a different time when they leave for the kingdom? No we do not. 

There is one possible statement, that some use to interpret as to say the saints stay in their homeland after Ezek. 9. It is based on the following —  The Rod comments on this statement —

“Thus says the LORD: “The people who survived the sword Found grace in the wilderness— Israel, when I went to give him rest.” (Jer. 31:2)

The Rod comments on this statement ––“Thus saith the Lord, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.”

The people who survive their captivity, are to find grace in the lands of the Gentiles — in “the wilderness,” away from the vineyard. (Since the Promised Land is the vineyard — Isaiah 5 — then what would the wilderness be but the lands of the Gentiles?) God’s people will find this grace at the time the Lord causes them to rest from their “sojourning” — after the “Judgment in the house of God” (1 Pet. 4:17) takes place.” (1 TG, no.48, p.20)

We are told that rest will be found after Ezek. 9. Thus, we only look at the type Jacob as to where and when he found that grace and rest. He found it not in his adopted homeland, where he lived while in exile, but
while he was on his journey homeward. So yes, they saints will find grace and rest after Ezek. 9, but not as the stay in their adopted homeland but on their travel to the kingdom. And we have learned that journey start quickly after Ezek. 9


Now, once we see this clearly, we get the solid facts —

1) Because the saints flee quickly to the Holy land after Ezek. 9, they then will experience grace and rest sometime during their travel to the Kingdom.

2) As this happens quickly after Ezek. 9, they cannot logically go through the Sunday law on their way home unless we want to say the SL is set up PRIOR or DURING the war (and Ezek.9) which would be preposterous and 
illogical

3) As not only the saints find grace and rest,  they experience Jacob’s time of trouble on their way home (confirmed by our Fundamental Beliefs). They then meet up with the Four Carpenters (as spoken of in Zech. 1:19-21)

4) So logically the JTT must be something else they experience apart from the SL.

Take a look at our Harvest Chart —

Notice what happens after Ezek. 9. We see the church federation. Then AFTER , not before, is the arrival of the false prophet and the establishment of the SL in the two -horned  beast domain (USA)

So to conclude when we add it all up and weighing the evidence the SL cannot be JTT, nor can it be established right away after  the Zech. 14 war and Ezek. 9

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As we see the subject of Matt:20 parable being discussed among present truth believers, the Lord in His wonderful way “supped” (Rev. 3:20) once more with us. Things were made much more clearer as to whether we are in the 11th hour or whether we are pre-11th hour.

As we have mentioned many times before in our correspondance with brethren on this subject, this is one of those subjects we must “go deep” and weigh it, as there are conflicting statements. This is similar to the “Those with” subject. You will find several references that seem to say one view and others saying another view, seemingly contradictory.

If the Lord said through SOP and the Rod the following counsels, then it must be  we CAN find the weight of the subject. This is important, as some are propping up their ideas without explaining the opposite  view and harmonizing it. We found that continually in our correspondance with brethren on the “Those with” subject in the past.

“Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives candid evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence.”(Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p.675)

“The weight of evidence” is the only fair and final criterion worthy of a Christian who must ever make an investigation for himself concerning purported truth.” ( 1 Ans, p.77) 

“In considering the several scriptures bearing on this point and on the kindred points in question, we must base our conclusions solely on the weight of evidence, so that we may not only know all the truth, but also teach nothing but the truth” (Tract 9, p.6)

“Some who are anxious to risk Present Truth on the weight of what one inspired statement seems to say or imply, are thereby presumptuously or very ignorantly overlooking the “weight of evidence.” Others are doing this through shortsightedness, while still others are doing it to prop up certain cherished ideas of their own.” (3 Ans, p. 41-42)

Now let us begin by addressing an issue that has come up in the discussion. That is, this subject is a “salvational” issue. Meaning we had better be on the correct side of the question of whether we are in the 11th hour or not. This issue we feel is a “How readest thou?” (Luke 10:26) meaning that due to the confusing and conflicting statements we cannot believe the Lord would hold those accountable for siding with one view (although incorrect) because of the many statements that seem to back up that view. The lesson on Tract 10 “Sign of Jonah” guides us and explains —

"Suffice it to say that our experience in gospel publishing work teaches us that many who have spent almost  countless hours of precious time in confusing the subject of the sign of Jonah, have spent but very little time in studying more essential subjects such as the prohibition against private interpretations of the Scriptures (2 Pet. 1:19, 20); the Spirit of Prophecy (Rev. 19:10); the Sabbath (Ex. 20:8-11); baptism (Matt. 3:15; Acts 2:38); the Kingdom (Isa. 2:2), the slaughter of Ezekiel 9, tithe paying (Mal. 3:10); although these vital subjects call for performance, -- a duty to practice the truths which they teach, -- whereas the sign of Jonah demands nothing." (Tract 10, p.20)

What does saying we are in or pre- 11th hour gain us? What does that change our message now to the church? Nothing. God’s workers in the church vineyard now are still to proclaim the message of the “judgment for the living” for the SDA church is soon to begin (1 Peter 4:17) along with reformation and the understanding of the 144,000 (SR, vol.1, introduction).

Now contrast that to the subject of the 144,000 sealing in the SDA church. The Rod clearly points the understanding of this subject as salvational. 

“If we do not understand the subject of the 144,000, we may not be sealed, for it would be worthless to understand it after the sealing, just as it would be of no value to understand the beast and his image after his work on earth is finished.” (SRod,  Vol. 1 p.14)

“Some day this subject must be understood, for Inspiration makes no useless statements, and it cannot be in the Bible for a trinket.  It must be understood before the number (144,000) is made or it would be of no value.  When understood, it will guide the feet of the 144,000 in the straight path just as the first, second, and third angel’s messages have led thousands of souls to Christ.”(SRod, vol. 1, p.14)

“The primary purpose of The Shepherd’s Rod is to unlock the long-concealed mystery concerning the ever-challenging and much discussed subject of the 144,000 (Rev. 14:1), with the central object in view of bringing about among God’s people that “thorough reformation” foretold by the Spirit of Prophecy (Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 251)….

 …Its dominant doctrinal concern being the truth of the 144,000, and a correct understanding of it being a life-and-death matter to all, the Rod unfolds it from several different angles, each urging the Denomination to prepare for the glorious deliverance of the saints and against the inglorious destruction of the sinners as foretokened by the marking and slaying recorded in Ezekiel 9.” (SRod Tract, p.5-6)

There are quite a few brethren , we find, who error in the 144,000  subject, particularily on the total  amount of those sealed in Ezek.9 from the church. In other words the amount said to be sealed from “all the tribes of children of Israel”(Rev. 7:4)  is incorrect in their view. Serious indeed!

But after a deep study of this Matt.20 lesson, as to what hour we are in, this can be subjective and our brothers who mount the judgment seat and say “You must get this right or you will be lost” we caution this proclamation. Nevertheless, as we study this issue, we feel it has one view as being correct.

In our next report , part 2, we’ll begin our detailed study of Matt.20, as the Rod has told us —

“(If you wish to study the parable in all its details, you may do so by reading The Shepherd’s Rod, Vol. 2, pp. 222-239.)” (2 TG, no.43,p.11  – published in 1949 and reprinted in 1953)

In that section, we discover strong evidence of how we can determine whether we are now in the 11th hour, or whether we are pre-11th hour. By God’s grace, we will see that the weight of the correct postition can be found.

To conclude, it is very unfortunate some have discussed this issue as a way of degrading our Pre-11th Hour Ministry work, but the Lord is good and those willing and able to “rightly divide the word of truth” (2 Tim. 2:15) will not be shaken by such short-sightedness.

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Well some of our brethren may be asking “What happened now with Pre-11th hour Ministry and UPA7?” That’s a great question brethren. For those who have followed both our groups, you’re aware that over the last few months UPA7 and us have made joint YouTube presentations, collaborating together for the message of the hour.

However things have taken a strange turn the last couple weeks, so what happened? In this report we’ll break down what has transpired. 

We have to go back to September of 2024, yours truly received a FB chat message from our brother Edstrom. As many know, over the years we have had quite a public back and forth on many subjects. Some of it  was quite critical towards each other. The subjects of the Kingdom travel, God’s  organization structure today, who  is entitled to collects tithes, and so forth were our topics.

So in the message we received, Edstrom said he wanted to make a “peace treaty”. This we viewed, was a good first start to having honest discussions and possibly reconciling our differences, at least study them out together. After all there is only one Truth on prophecies and Bible subjects.

So we accepted his offer and we talked a few days later. A Long conversation as one would expect, as we had to catch up and express his peace treaty. We always should remember what the Word says —

“If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.” (Romans 12:18)

So very soon after this, our communication became more frequent. Phone calls and FB chat messages mostly. Soon plans were made to do a joint Bible study on the Fundamental Beliefs. Pre-11th hour had already begun to put the word out that probably the best starting point in unifying Davidia, was to have meetings with other DSDA groups, with the goal of understanding and agreeing to our FB’s. Surprisingly, many DSDA “say” they believe in them yet teach otherwise. For example, JTT comes before Ezekiel 9. The FB’s show otherwise.

We did our presentation of the FB’s with UPA7 this  Sept. The meeting was a success and the synergy was excellent. One of the points highlighted is that in order to believe the FB’s, one must throw out the idea of a Flying Chariot picking up the saints and zooming them over to the kingdom. This idea and FB no.7 “..the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer. 30:7) for the 144,000, the sons of Jacob, logically develops on their way home (Gen. 32:1, 24)”  cannot be harmonized. This was one of the subjects Edstrom and myself discussed in our prior YouTube presentations. He supported the Chariot travel idea, we did not. 

Then after this we decided to do a part 2, but this time focusing on Florence Houteff and the new code debacle over our history. This as well was rewarding and many were blessed and enlightened.

In the last presentation we did together , one of the UPA7 brethren brought up the question about our name “Pre-11th Hour  Ministry” and implied we should reconsider it. We mentioned we’d be happy to discuss this topic at a later date. Later brother Edstrom reached out to us indicating he had something to show us. It was the decades old (I mean back in the 90’s) Nosworthy situation, whereby he sent off warning letters to the government bascially starting the whole Waco fiasco  with Koresh and his cult.

But his main point was to have us reconsider our name and how it was not good for spreading the message of the hour as a group name. We kindly responded that we were not concerned, as Nosworthy’s name was “Pre-11th hour Bible study” and though similar in name ,God would protect His work and that Nosworthy’s work was not God’s work at all. 

The same logic can be applied to our name Davidian Seventh-day Adventists. Just because Koresh tainted the word “Davidian”, do we now change it? Let’s be firm , God is able to protect His work no matter how the enemy tries to tear it down. We do not capitulate.

Our main goal is to reach Mother (SDA church) and 99.9% of Adventists have no clue concerning this issue. It’s a non-issue, and why bring this controversy up as the relevance is not there. Brother Edstrom was stirring up a hornet’s nest when it did not need to be stirred up. He soon made a video bringing it up in the public forum. And most unsettling is his portrayal as our Ministry being spiritually tainted both by the name and the idea we are not in the 11th hour yet.

So now we are where we are.  We ofcourse, on our end, wish only the best for our brother, but we won’t stand down from proclaiming the truth.

There are serious doctrinal issues  that exisit between our groups, with the main one being how God is organizing His work today. Our groups had talked on possibly setting up private studies on this issue, we will have to wait and see if that can still be accomplished.

But we are clear, we cannot support UPA7’s ideas that we are in the scattering period and that each must fend for himself. That small groups of brethren, even individuals, who produce the original Rod message can be entitled to collect tithes. This is ignorance and disobedience of the Lord’s Rod counsel —

CANNOT MY HOME BE HIS “STOREHOUSE”?

Question No. 97:

Is it Scriptural for one to retain and personally use his tithe and offerings in order to carry on the gospel work in his own community, according to his own plans? { ABN4: 44.3 }

Answer:

Nowhere in the Scriptures do we find permission to use the Lord’s money at our own discretion. The only justification for so doing would be sheer inability, for some reason to send it to the Lord’s “storehouse.” Should one voluntarily, though, engage in such a practice then he would set the wrong example before others. And if following in his lead, others assume the same right, their course must inevitably result in seriously handicapping the Lord’s work, bleeding and subverting His treasury, and thus disorganizing His work and reducing the church to a mere shell, while her members are hiring themselves as laborers in the Lord’s vineyard, helping themselves to the Lord’s money, and running without having been sent! What a Babylon that would be! { ABN4: 44.4 }

Though the Lord commands, “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse” (Mal. 3: 10), He does not say to bring all the offerings. Thus, He shows that if we would engage in some personal charity or missionary activity, we should sustain it from offerings, not from the tithe. { ABN4: 45.1 }

“Angels keep a faithful record of every man’s work, and as judgment passes upon the house of God, the sentence of each is recorded by his name, and the angel is commissioned to spare not the unfaithful servants, but to cut them down at the time of slaughter….And the crowns they might have worn, had they been faithful, are put upon the heads of those saved by the faithful servants….”Testimonies, Vol. 1, p. 198. { ABN4: 45.2 }

In closing, we’ll be publishing an indepth report on the 11th hour question. As stated, brother Edstrom has brought this out for discussion and we must dig deep upon the many references, charts and symbols to weigh  this matter  out.

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As many are aware our Minstry (Pre-11th Hour) and UPA7 have presented two recent studies. We discussed our Fundamental Beliefs in part 1 and Florence Houteff’s role in disrupting the message in part 2. The links will be provided below.

We have heard from some of the brethren of late, and they inquire whether there is a uniting of the two organizations in the near future. The simple answer is nothing is planned as of now.

The Chinese have an old true saying ” A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.” Yours truly and brother Edstrom have experienced a difficult history, much of it public via YouTube and Blogs. However a fateful call came from our brother back in 2024 which, praise the Lord, changed our course.  Instead of finding ways to go against each other, we now look at ways of working together. The Word says —

“If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.” (Romans 12:18)

This being said, we still have work to do. There is the main issue of — how is God leading His work today? Specifically, has God generally abandoned central organized leadership and preferred scattering brethren all over the world to carry on His work without any one centralized leadership structure?

UPA7 and Pre-11th hour have differing beliefs on this issue. Again the Word of God helps us —

“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”(1 Cor. 14:33)

There is a clear path forward on this issue and Lord willing we’ll be able to study it out and discern God’s Word and just as importantly –His history in leading His people.

“In reviewing our past history, having traveled over every step of our advance to our present standing, I can say Praise God! As I can see what God has wrought, I am filled with astonishment, and with Christ as our leader. We have nothing to fear for the future except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us.” (TM, p.31)

When we step back and see His leading, specifically after the Knock-out blow, we can gather great insight as to how He is leading us since then. Do not for once think God was not leading each specific move since the passing of the prophet. Those who do, have much to fear as Inspiration tells us, and thus be in the dark on this issue.

Once we see His historical course, we know how He is leading us right now –today. Is it one centralized leadership organizational structure or a scattering of brethren without no such structure?

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Back in November of 2020 the above pictured man  , Lennox Sam, made a video naming the “four Jesuits” among Davidian SDA today. Yours truly was of the honored ones. We say this in jest ofcourse.  His false witnessing knows no bounds and we can be sure the great God in heaven has marked such slander and false witnessing down. We want to make it to heaven we first and foremost obey the foundations of our King–the 10 Commandments. Yet one man who claims  he is “God’s messenger” today has no qualms bearing false witness –go figure!

We bring this issue up because once again Sam has “doubled down” on his false witnessing by making another presentation last Sabbath using the same deceitful tactics as he did back in 2020. The message is so clear about the one of the main attack modes of the enemy.

“..since the Enemy cannot get around the Truth, he does all he can to blacken character and to pick flaws in personalities.” (GCS, p.8)

Indeed blacken character!  Sam is trying to smear others in hopes of raising himself up and protecting “his” status as “the”  messenger of God today. He attacks those who apparently are a threat to his house of cards (numerous false doctrines).   Again SOP makes mention of these tastics —

“I saw that the very spirit of perjury, that would turn truth into  falsehood, good into evil, and innocence into crime, is now active. Satan exults over the condition of God’s professed people. While many are neglecting their own souls, they eagerly watch for an opportunity to criticize and condemn others. All have defects of character, and it is not hard to find something that jealousy can interpret to their injury. “Now,” say these self-constituted judges, “we have facts. We will fasten upon them an accusation from whichthey can not clear themselves.” They wait for a fitting opportunityand then produce their bundle of gossip and bring forth their tidbits.” (5 Testimones, p.94)

We heard from brother Trevor Bingham via a post on our Truth Tellers facebook group, saying how amazed he was to hear Lennox Sam stoop so low with such false accusations. Yes, some of us are in need of “unlearning” many things we have taught and Bashan is no exception, BUT to purposely blacken another brother’s character WITHOUT true facts is quite alarming! 

Jesuits, we should remember are those special agents connected with the Catholic Church, who main mission is to expose heretics (those who fight against the Mother Church), and to either do them harm or reconvert them back to the “true faith” as they believe. They are 100% committed to th Catholic Church no matter what may come. This is their sworn oath —

• Poverty: Renouncing personal possessions.
• Chastity: Forgoing marriage.
• Obedience: Promising to obey the Constitutions of the Society of Jesus.
• Special obedience to the Pope: Specifically regarding mission assignments.

Now Sam is claiming yours truly, along with brother Bingham, brother Edstrom and brother Gonzalez are all Jesuits!  Have any of us ever produced ANY evidence of working for the Catholic Church?  If we are Jesuits we are lousy ones!  For we all are married. Sam makes a case against Bashan (however twisting and weak) but regarding us others , all of our work has been in an attempt to spread the message of DSDA not one of spreading of the Pope’s and Catholic Church faith.

We did do a video a while back showing some good aspects of the comportment of their members in church (silence in the sancturary, women wearing the head coverings, etc) but was in an effort to make us SDA ponder our own short comings in this regard. 

To summarize Lennox Sam is on very shakey ground and the Great God of heaven , we are sure has noticed such false witnessing and slander. Brother Ariel, from the philippines, was taken out by God, along with another self proclaimed “Elijah prophet”– Ben Roden, their ideas vanished as foolishness. The same fate will come on Sam lest he repents, not only of this public slander and false witnessing, but of his MANY false doctrines he is trying to snag the brethen with!

“A false withness wil not go unpunished. And he who speaks lies shall perish.” (Proverbs  19:9)

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We continue with part 3 of our study.

 “And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.” Rev. 12:16.

   The “earth,” God’s mighty weapon, is finally to help the woman.  It is to swallow up the “flood”; that is, the same Divine means which, according to the parable, takes away the tares and burns them, likewise takes away all who have joined the church but who are still pagan at heart.  And what happens then? — The Scriptures supply the answer:

   “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Rev. 12:17.

   The term “remnant” discloses that her seed is divided into two parts: The one is taken, the other is left.  Nehemiah, for example, explains: “The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach.”  Neh. 1:3.  A “remnant” always represents one part of  the whole, either large or small.

   And notice that the dragon wars, not against a remnant of the “flood,” but against the remnant of her seed.  Christ being the woman’s only child, her seed are therefore the Christians, those who are born into the church through the Spirit of Christ.  Accordingly, the act of taking the first fruits to Mount Sion (Rev. 14:1) brings about a condition which makes a remnant of those who are still left among the Gentiles.  In this instance, therefore, they, the second fruits, are the remnant.

   Let it be remembered that it is after the earth swallows the flood that the dragon is to be wroth with the woman, and “to make war with the remnant of her seed [not with her personally], which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” Rev. 12:16 17.  Clearly, then, there is no escaping the conclusion that the doing away with Satan’s flood is doubtless  the purifying of the church, the destroying of  those who have joined the church through the aid of the serpent. (Tract 15, p. 87-89).

Once again we notice the statement “after the earth swallows the flood” that inspiration then declares “the dragon is to be wroth with the woman, and “to make war with the remnant of her seed [not with her personally],”. 

We cannot  nor should not misunderstand what happens “after” Ezek. 9. The dragon does not attempt any waring against the 144,000 but he does make war (Sunday Law persecution) against the “remnant of her seed” the great multitude.

“Finally, though, as prophecy discloses, the tables are turned, and the long controversy ends with the Lord’s casting out and destroying (Rev. 12:16) Satan’s agents, the “flood” (the tares, the bad fish), and then lighting the earth with the glory of His angel (Rev. 18:1)! 

Here we see that the approaching work of making rid of the flood, thereby freeing the church from the unconverted, is the work of “the harvest” in “the end of the world.” Matt. 13:39. Next we must ascertain whether the “end of the world” brings the millennial age of peace or the great time of trouble such as never was. To determine which, we must consult subsequent events. 

Since it is after the earth swallows the flood, that the dragon is to be wroth with the woman and to go “to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” (Rev. 12:16, 17), there is no escaping the conclusion that the harvest, in taking away from the church Satan’s flood, his multiplied tares, does not bring the millennium of peace. Indeed not, but rather it brings God’s wrath—the time of trouble such as never was: the time in which His people in Babylon are called to “come out of her” and into His purified church—the Kingdom. 

The harvest, therefore, is a short period of time just before, rather than the moment at, the appearing of Christ in the clouds. It is the very last days of probation for earth’s kingdoms,— the days and work which bring the end of the world. 

The fact that there is a remnant (that which is left) of the seed of the woman, shows that her seed is divided into two parts, and that consequently the symbolism represents three groups of people: (1) the woman; (2) the first part of her seed—those who in this instance are not the remnant; (3) the second part of her seed—those who are the remnant. 

In the light of this symbolical representation, the woman, herself, is seen to symbolize the mother part of the church—God’s appointed and Spirit-filled ministers who bring in the born-again (John 3:3) converts. The first part of her seed must, accordingly, be the first fruits, the 144,000, who, separated from the sinners that were among them, are taken to Mount Sion, there to stand with the Lamb (Rev. 14:1). Hence, “the remnant of her seed” are in this instance those who are yet in the world when Babylon rides the beast (Rev. 17). Thus they are the second and last fruits which are to be taken to the purified church, the Kingdom, where there is neither sin nor fear of Babylon’s plagues falling upon them (Rev. 18:4).” ( 2 Ans, p.13-15)

Preponderance again showing that “after” Ezek. 9 the saints are not persecuted by the dragon by Sunday Law but rather “taken to Mount Sion, there to stand  with the Lamb (Rev. 14:1).”

to be continued ….

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We continue with our part 2 of the study.

In part 1 we showed the early statements made in our subject, now we’ll look at statements after the prophet had light on the pre-millennial kingdom.

“Since it is after the earth swallows the flood, that the dragon is to be wroth with the woman and to go “to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” (Rev. 12:16, 17), there is no escaping the conclusion that the harvest, in taking away Satan’s flood, his multiplied tares, does not bring the millennium of peace. Indeed not, but rather it brings his wrath—the time of trouble such as never was: the time in which God’s people in Babylon are called to “come out of her” and into His purified church—the Kingdom. 

The harvest, therefore, is a short period of time just before, rather than the moment at, the appearing of Christ in the clouds. It is the very last days of probation for earth’s kingdoms,—the days and work which bring the end of the world. 

The fact that there is a remnant (that which is left) of the seed of the woman, shows that her seed is divided into two parts, and that consequently the symbolism represents three groups of people: (1) the woman; (2) the first part of her seed—those who in this instance are not the remnant; (3) the second part of her seed—those who are the remnant. 

In the light of this symbolical representation, the woman, herself, is seen to symbolize the mother-part of the church—God’s appointed and Spirit-filled ministers who bring in the born-again (John 3:3) converts. The first part of her seed must, accordingly, be the first fruits, the 144,000, who, separated from the sinners that were among them, are taken to Mount Sion, there to stand with the Lamb (Rev. 14:1). Hence, “the remnant of her seed” are in this instance those who are yet in the world when Babylon rides the beast (Rev. 17). Thus they are the second and last fruits which are to be taken to the purified church, the kingdom, where there is neither sin nor fear of the plagues falling (Rev. 18:4).

And now, since in her progression of time, the woman represents each successive ministry, therefore at the time that the dragon is wroth with her, she necessarily must represent the last ordained ministry, the 144,000, those who bring all their brethren from all nations to God’s “holy mountain Jerusalem.” Isa. 66:20. 

With this light shining on the subject, the truth is clearly seen that after the earth swallows the flood, after the angels separate the wicked (“the tares,” the “bad”—”fish”) from the righteous (the “wheat,” the “good”—”fish”) in the church, and take the righteous to Mount Sion (“the barn,” “the vessels”—Matt. 13:30, 48), the dragon will then be angry with the woman (the servants of God), and as a result will war against the remnant (the second fruits, those who are then to be called out of Babylon—Rev. 18:4).(7 SC, no. 7-12, p.9, July 1941) 

Here is the very first advanced light statement on the subject. We find this one very informative, let us break it down. Before we do we will read and observe these important counsels, — the context and note every word.

 “Never is it right to interpret any scripture isolated from its context, for to do so is automatically to do violence to its meaning.” (Tract 3, p.99)

“…as there are no useless words in either of the writings, those who desire to know the truth must carefully mark every word, otherwise they will never comprehend the truth and, as a consequence, they will be driven by the winds as the waves of the sea until the winds cease blowing (probation closes), and they be left to sink down in their sins as do the waves in the sea.”(SC, vol. 2, no.7-8, p.10)

“…when we take into consideration the meaning of each word instead of making thoughtless and hasty conclusions, the Scriptures prove to be not only most perfect and wonderful and yet simple, but also inspiring, making wise the humble — and lightening the path of him who as did Christ, delights to do the will of God.” (SC, vol. 2, no. 2, p.3)

“..to him who digs deep into the well of salvation, and that can think and reason for himself.  Such a one reads between the lines and notes the full value of each word.” (1 TG, no.45, p.22)

Ok back to the reference. Notice first, the time this reference applies –after the earth swallows the flood (Ezekiel 9). Secondly, after this swallowing there is  three groups of people “(1) the woman; (2) the first part of her seed—those who in this instance are not the remnant; (3) the second part of her seed—those who are the remnant. “

So adding it up after Ezekiel 9, the 144,000 are not the remnant but the great multitude are. Therefore the Sunday law persecution does not come to the first fruits but the second fruits after Ezekiel 9 as we read —

“Hence, “the remnant of her seed” are in this instance those who are yet in the world when Babylon rides the beast (Rev. 17).”

and —  “the dragon will then be angry with the woman (the servants of God), and as a result will war against the remnant (the second fruits, those who are then to be called out of Babylon—Rev. 18:4).”

In what instance? After the earth swallows the flood and the dragon is wroth! He is mad because he just lost his servants, the flood of hypocrites and sooth-sayers, and goes to make war with the second fruits — the great mulititude.

When we understand the travel issue of the message  (they leave quickly to the kingdom) we know that  it’s not possible for the dragon to touch the 144,000.

Due to the many references and depth of this study, we will have many parts.

to be continued ……

Ps. we pray that this study is carefully read as Davidian confusion should be cleared up if we’ll take in the whole picture of the subject.

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